Jennifer Tzivia MacLeod is the author of the new children's picture book Baila the Klopper. Her many other books include Yossi and the Monkeys. She lives in Israel.
Q: What inspired you to write Baila the Klopper?
A: I love stories about spunky little girls! And I already
had this fictitious shtetl (old-world European) setting in my head from my
previous book, Yossi and the Monkeys, which was also illustrated by my friend
Shirley Waisman.
That fictitious town isn't quite Chelm and it isn't quite
Anatevka (from Fiddler on the Roof). Like Tevye, religion is important to them.
But so is family, and so is community, and that's what Baila is all about.
As a Canadian, I think I was also deeply inspired by Phoebe
Gilman's gorgeous Something from Nothing, which is set in a similar
shtetl. I've always loved how free the little boy seems in that story; he can
run around the entire town but he knows he always has warm, loving people to
come back to.
Q: What do you think Shirley Waisman's illustrations add to
the story?
A: Wow, so much! When people tell me they love my books, I
always credit the illustrations, not the words, and I'm not just being modest.
They bring the whole book to life.
Shirley and I are friends in real life now and worked more
closely together on the illustrations than I usually do. We started out just by
reading the book together, with her asking me what I meant and how I envisioned
certain spreads.
That's a fascinating cultural difference; in Israel,
illustrators and authors work closely together all the time, whereas in
the US, they're usually kept apart and mediated by the editor or art
director. For me, it felt uncomfortably intimate at first, but I absolutely
love the results.
Q: What do you hope kids take away from the story?
A: You know, I was talking to Fran Greenman-Schmitz, the new
publisher at Kar-Ben who took over from Joni Sussman, who acquired the book.
And I told her the story didn't exactly share most feminist messages: at the
end of the story, Baila ends up baking and holding a baby, both
traditionally female activities.
But then I think everybody in that meeting realized that it
actually kind of is a feminist message: girls can do whatever they want. If
what they want and what they're good at is taking care of babies and baking
delicious bagels for their entire community... well, that's awesome. (My own
kids, boys and girls, are all both great bakers and great baby-snugglers.)
Anyway, the bigger message is maybe that without food,
without babies, society doesn't have much of a future. And without
problem-solvers like Baila, who cut through the complexities to find simple
solutions, our communities flounder. So let's celebrate her!

Q: What first interested you in writing children's picture
books?
A: Years ago, as a Jewish homeschooler I kept stumbling
across all these Christian materials and wondering why nobody had created
Jewish resources that fit our needs better. So, in the greatest parenting
tradition, I set out to create some. I wrote and self-published some
educational things.
I also started to feel that a lot of Jewish picture books
waste a ton of time explaining the basics: on Rosh Hashanah, you dip an apple
in honey, you blow a shofar; on Shabbat, you make kiddush, you pray and rest
and do things you love with people you love.
Spelling it out is wonderful for kids who are less Jewishly
involved, but my kids knew that stuff by the time they were two. So I wanted
picture book stories that put those basics in the background; they're assumed
but never explicitly stated.
Here's an example: I wrote a book called Penguin Rosh
Hashanah (https://tinyurl.com/penguinrosh),
basically trying to create a Rosh Hashanah book that mentions none of the usual
things.
And my favourite review - they gave it only one star, which
is a terrible review! - says, "I thought this book was going to be about
different ways to celebrate Rosh Hashana." Even though it's a lousy
review, I take it as a compliment.
There are a million of that book out there already, and some
of the choices are wonderful. But there's only one with a penguin. Also, who
buys a book with a penguin on the cover if they're looking to find out about
"different ways to celebrate Rosh Hashana"?! The review still makes
me smile every time I see it.
Even though it's not exactly my most commercial book, I want
to keep creating books like that. For kids like mine were, and now my
grandkids. Kids who by the time they turn 2 have already celebrated 108
Shabbatot, so they don't need to be told what challah is, what kiddush is, what
havdalah is. They just want stories - like all kids do - that reflect them and
their world.
Q: What are you working on now?
A: Middle grade! I still love doing picture books, but I'm
dreaming of being published for middle grade.
I'm writing a World War II story set in Toronto. Donny is a
13-year-old Boy Scout who's preparing for his bar mitzvah against the
background of what's going on in Europe (which all the grownups are talking
about in whispers) along with some local antisemitism from the rival
neighbourhood Boy Scout troop.
And then, on top of everything, his family takes in a
British boy who turns out to be absolutely insufferable. There are the
inevitable boyish clashes but ultimately (spoiler alert!) they wind up being
friends.
Everybody knows about British kids being evacuated to the
countryside because of the Narnia stories, but many of them were shipped
overseas. Canada hosted about 3,000 kids as part of their "War Guest"
program. The program was halted in 1940 after the Germans actually torpedoed a
ship carrying children to Canada.
Like my chapter book The Peacock, which came out this year
(Orca), Donny's War is based very loosely on my own family's history. My
grandparents really did take in a War Guest child, but I haven't been able to
find out anything about him. And my uncles were the wrong ages to be in this
story, while my mother wasn't born yet.
So I changed my uncles' birthdates and other information,
and invented a new girl for the family to fill my mother's place.
As with The Peacock, I love having the opportunity to tell a
story about the war through the eyes of a child who is actually living very far
away, in relative safety and privilege.
Here, too, the adults are trying to shelter Donny from
what's going on over there. But he's a smart kid and understands a lot more
than they give him credit for.
I hope this distance will make the story relatable for
today's kids, who are also very distant, chronologically, from that war. And
encourage them to think about bigger questions rather than just the specifics
of that particular war.
Q: Anything else we should know?
A: Wow. Just how incredibly humbling it is to be part of the
community of children's-book authors. There are so many wonderful stories out
there, and so many talented authors and illustrators, that my books feel very
small, like a drop in the bucket.
But it's my drop in the bucket. Well, in this case, mine and
Shirley's. I hope this will become some kid's favourite story. Maybe even more
than one kid's.
--Interview with Deborah Kalb