Ilan Stavans is the editor of the new anthology A Nation Wrestles with God: American Prophets, Philosophers, and Firebrands. His many other books include Conversations on Dictionaries. He is the Lewis-Sebring Professor of Humanities and Latin American and Latino Culture at Amherst College.
Q: What inspired you to edit A Nation Wrestles with
God?
A: As a Mexican immigrant who is Jewish, I have been
enthralled with the statement, in the United States Declaration of
Independence, “Endowed by Their Creator.” What does it mean? The answer is
manifold.
For starters, it is proof that this country began with
an appeal to the divine. The Mayflower Compact bound a fledgling community into
covenant “under God,” and the United States Declaration of Independence boldly
proclaimed that human equality rests on rights “endowed by their Creator.”
It is now 250 years after that declaration. What sort
of relationship, as a country made of people from all around the globe, do
we have with God? Is there only one God Americans wrestle with depending on
their religion, or are there many? Can a liberal democracy survive if one of
these gods acquires supremacy over the others?
In other words, how did that daring invocation of God
shape the American experiment? How have later generations wrestled with the
promise and the contradictions at the heart of that founding appeal?
Through the voice of writers, politicians, scientists,
poets, theologians, comedians, philosophers, religious leaders, and cartoonists
as diverse as Thomas Jefferson, Cotton Mather, Abraham Lincoln, Walt
Whitman, Emily Dickinson, Thomas Merton, Malcolm X, Albert Einstein, Isaac
Bashevis Singer, James Baldwin, Tony Kushner, Anne Lamott, and more, the
volume explore the role of the divine in America’s moral language, political
ideals, and cultural imagination.
What does it mean for a nation to ground its freedom
in a creator? How have ideas of the divine and sacred inspired, challenged, and
transformed the United States ever since?
An anthology, as you know, is a portable library in
which the authors are in conversation with one another and, mostly, with the
reader, who has the final say. The material in this one is organized
chronologically by the author’s date of birth.
The lesson, I guess, is that the answer to the
question “What does ‘Endowed by the Creator’ mean?” is always in the eyes of
the beholder.
Q: How did you choose the excerpts to include in the
book?
A: There is a lot I wanted to include. I worked within
a limit: 500 pages. In other words, the sum of all pieces needed to fit into a
book that would be seen, in its size, as a weapon of self-defense. I excerpted
novels, speeches, sermons, poems, and so on. In many ways, the voices included
are a statement of the contentious dialogue I carry inside me.
Every editor of an anthology must start by imagining
the target audience. Mine is made of curious, perplexed individuals for whom
the tension between credo and episteme is a source of inspiration.
Also, every editor of an anthology imagines themselves
as the first reader but surely not the last. I hope this book is read across
faiths, across geographies, and across generations.
Q: How did you research the book, and what did you
learn that especially surprised you?
A: It is no exaggeration to say that I have been
researching this book my entire life, keeping notes on an insightful reading,
leaving a comment as marginalia in a library borrowing, and, of course,
writing, over the decades, all kinds of explorations of the divine, from my
autobiography On Borrowed Words (2001), to my play The Oven: An Anti-Lecture
(2017) to the poem The Wall (2018). In November, my forthcoming book Fictional
Translations: Poems (LSU) continues this search.
About to reach 65, I simply sat down and told myself:
now is the time. Your experience is part of a larger conversation. Death will
erase all that you are. The only items that will survive you are messages you
leave behind.
What surprised me, you asked? Everything.... Some
people are afraid of speaking about faith in public. Others see God as a
vengeful being. A few more would prefer for the reals of religion and politics
not to intersect.
Yes, since the start, Americans do nothing but talk
about—and with—God. The epigraph of A Nation Wrestles with God comes from
Alexis de Tocqueville’s Democracy in America. He was mesmerized, after talking
to hundreds of Americans, at how relevant religion has been in this country,
for better or worse.
Q: What impact did it have on you to work on this
book, and what do you hope readers take away from it?
A: I am more humble, and perhaps more skeptical, than
I was at the beginning. Skeptical about everything: truth, God, democracy. And
yet, I don’t think we can do without any of these. All need to be restrained,
disabused, authentically examined.
Q: What are you working on now?
A: This year I am in New York City, as a fellow at the
New York Public Library on 42nd Street and Fifth Avenue, finishing a book that
is a history of Hispanic antisemitism from 1492 to the present, told through a
dozen lives: of victims, of perpetrators, and of bystanders. I hope to complete
it in the fall. I am also almost finished with my biography of Isaac Bashevis
Singer.
Q: Anything else we should know?
A: Do I believe in God? Yes, no, and maybe—depending
on the day. In short, I wrestle. To me, wrestling with God is what humankind
has been doing since the beginning.
Look at Socrates, a concoction of Plato, Xenophon,
Aristophanes, Aeschines of Sphettus, Aristippus, and other Greek
contemporaries. Look at Abraham, Jacob, Moses, the biblical prophets, and the
rabbinical tradition. Look at medieval Muslim thinks like Avicenna and
Averroes.
Even non-monotheists, atheists, and agnostics wrestle
with the divine. It is a two-way dialogue. Abraham Joshua Heschel said that
humans search for God as much as God searches for humans.
--Interview with Deborah Kalb. Here's a previous Q&A with Ilan Stavans.