Nadine Epstein is the editor of the new book Elie Wiesel: An Extraordinary Life and Legacy, She is the editor-in-chief and CEO of Moment magazine, and her work has appeared in a variety of publications, including The New York Times and The Washington Post.
Q: Why did you decide to
compile and edit this book about Elie Wiesel?
A: I went to his funeral in
New York, and I thought, I need to do something. I travel a lot, and I talk to
people, and in the big world out there are a lot of people who haven’t heard of
who he is, or they just know his name. Even in the Jewish world not everybody
knows that much about him. I thought it important that he not be forgotten.
When I first met him in
2004-2005, I went to see him in Boston, and my heart was beating so fast. I
knew him from reading Night, I knew him as a teenager [in the book]. He grew to
be so much more. That voice informed everything he became. He overcame so much
suffering. He had a much larger message of combating suffering around the
world, and that’s important today.
Q: What was his role in
creating Moment magazine?
A: He was the co-founder,
with Leonard Fein. He chose the name. Der Moment was the most famous
independent Yiddish paper that was read all over Eastern Europe. Elie’s dad
used to read the paper. Elie was a yeshiva boy—he was forbidden from reading
about the world. He was very devoted to Judaism, to studying texts. He saw Der
Moment on the kitchen table and never read it.
After the Holocaust, it was
clear he wasn’t going to be a rabbi or hazan; he was going to have a secular career. He
loved to write, and he thought of being a journalist because of Der Moment. The
name carried the legacy of the paper that was extinguished by the Nazis.
[Wiesel and Fein] brought it to a new era.
Q: How did you choose the
people to contribute to the book?
A: Some people I just knew we
wanted to have. Some knew him well, some had an important way of looking at
him.
Natan Sharansky was included
because Elie had written Jews of Silence. He went to the Soviet Union in the
early-to-mid ‘60s and awakened the American Jewish community to what was going
on in the Soviet Union with Jews. Jews never agree with each other, but they
became unified and got the Jews out of the Soviet Union. That’s the most
important thing [Sharansky] thinks Elie should be remembered for.
Ted Koppel spoke at the
funeral. He had amazing stories about Elie, about how one time he was speaking
at a retreat for Nightline staff. Ted drove him, and pulled over at a gas
station and put gas into the car. Elie said, How did you know how to do that?
It said so much about Elie. He was a grounded person but he lived in a very
intellectual world.
I wanted to have diversity in
the book. Elie was very encouraging of women but the world he lived in was
mostly filled with men. I went out of my way to find women he was friends with.
I ran into Kathleen Kennedy Townsend, and she said, I knew Elie, and I said,
You can be in the book now!
Sonari Glinton grew up the
son of a single mom. He was in Catholic school and didn’t like reading. He
picked the shortest book [for an assignment], which was Night. He writes about
how it transformed his life. Later he studied with Elie at Boston University.
Q: In your introduction, you
write, "We believe that it is critical to keep Elie's memory alive at a
time when anti-Semitism and prejudice of all kinds in the United States and
Europe are once again on the rise, and the lessons he taught have been called
into question." What do you see as his legacy?
A: The third anniversary of
his death is July 2. The world has changed so dramatically since he died. On
July 2, 2016, the New York Times headline said, Donald Trump deletes tweet
showing Hillary Clinton in a Star of David shape. Europe was in the throes of
the refugee crisis. There were a lot of alarm bells.
This was before Richard
Spencer had a victory party [where people said] Heil Trump, before
Charlottesville, before worshippers were massacred in Pittsburgh and a woman
was killed in Poway.
Elie missed all of this. On
the one hand, I’m glad he missed it, but on the other hand I wish he were here.
He was a very respected voice. He could have spoken out about prejudice of all
kinds, including anti-Semitism. He was one of a few people President Trump and
members of the administration would have had respect for.
He had the ability to talk to
everyone. He had written an incredible book, he had a history that allowed him
to carry the resonance of the Holocaust. He wasn’t an ideologue. He could talk
to people—he met and befriended Democrats and Republicans. He was very
cosmopolitan, and he embraced civil discourse.
One very important lesson is
that we can’t be him, but we can not forget, and we can remember to take action
to combat suffering, to bend over backwards to be civil in our discourse. He
knew what happened when it breaks down and what evil ascends from that.
Q: What are you working on
now?
A: With this book, we created
our own imprint. We partnered with Mandel Vilar Press to do the Elie Wiesel
book. We have two more books coming out.
One is with Bob Mankoff, the
former New Yorker cartoon editor, Have I Got a Cartoon For You, about Jewish
cartoonists.
One is with [the late]
Theodore Bikel, about his childhood. It’s an illustrated book, expanded by his
wife, Aimee Ginsburg Bikel.
Both are coming out in the
fall.
Also, Moment took over all
the Forward print readers, and I’m working on my own new book!
Q: Anything else we should
know?
A: I think for me the book
did expand my understanding of Elie. It’s a wonderful book to share with
students, young people from 10 up. It’s important for young people to look at
it—it makes his life very accessible. It looks like a gift book, and it is, but
inside it has real content.
--Interview with Deborah Kalb